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Underlying Resveratrol Activity Uncovered
ichisan
Posted: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:41:30 AM
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ENV wrote:
The "paradigm shift" you reference by invoking Kuhn was the realization that ALS isn't cell-autonomous, a realization brought about in the past couple of decades after the SOD1 mouse model was created, allowing for the deep and sequential investigation. Some of that investigation led to the realization of the nature of neuroinflammation and that chlorite could be effective against it.

Basically your own statement betrays you (likely because your research goes no farther than book jacket summaries). You are pathetic.
That's a laugh. What paradigm shift? The reason that it took them so long to begin using sodium chlorite is that they are all a bunch of heartless and money hungry assholes. And a good many among them are in fact stupid. People have known for close to a century that several strong oxidants such as sodium chlorate, sodium chlorite and hydrogen peroxide, were effective against inflammation. As soon as it was discovered that neurodegenerative diseases were accompanied by neuroinflammation, it should not have taken an Einstein to figure out that these oxidants should be tested on patients with those diseases. In fact, I suspect that a daily injection of a weak solution of hydrogen peroxide is probably just as effective as sodium chlorite. But nobody is going to do a trial with H2O2 because there is no money in it for them. No sir, not Neuraltus, not NuvoResearch, not Dr. McGrath, not Dr. Kuehne, not ALSTDI and certainly not the FDA.

Scientists do not use a different logic than other people. They are not a different race of people. The percentage of assholes among scientists are not less than the percentage in the general population. Scientists can be just as stupid and callous as anybody else.

Louis
De Laval
Posted: Sunday, February 05, 2012 12:53:56 PM
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Louis.
I have a question for you if you are convinced of the effectiveness of the Hydrogen Peroxide injection used or why not try it on your own.
Sometimes you seem like an old LP that has been stuck in a groove and each time it plays the same tune.
Because we now know privately that all scientists, and pharmaceutical industries and ALSTDI and certainly not least, the FDA does not cooperate and they never will do it not now or in the far future.
I would say be a man and inject yourself with hydrogen peroxide and wait of the results.
You must do it only if you are 100% confident of your belief

Jan
ENV
Posted: Sunday, February 05, 2012 4:51:20 PM

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"known for a century"? You got any proof of that? For years more powerful anti-inflammatories were tried against ALS and failed.

I, however, can prove that it takes years of careful work to find that a substance appears to work, and then much more testing to try to understand why as well as look for potential side effects that could make the situation worse.

You have just proven again that not only do you know nothing but, worse, you can't be bothered to go educate yourself. Would you like to continue to be pathetic or would you like to take some time to actually learn something before you pop off?

-- Le Meilleur Vin Avec Les Meilleurs Amis --

The comment above is my personal opinion. I do not represent ALS-TDI
ichisan
Posted: Sunday, February 05, 2012 4:55:29 PM
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De Laval wrote:
Louis.
I have a question for you if you are convinced of the effectiveness of the Hydrogen Peroxide injection used or why not try it on your own.
Sometimes you seem like an old LP that has been stuck in a groove and each time it plays the same tune.
Because we now know privately that all scientists, and pharmaceutical industries and ALSTDI and certainly not least, the FDA does not cooperate and they never will do it not now or in the far future.
I would say be a man and inject yourself with hydrogen peroxide and wait of the results.
You must do it only if you are 100% confident of your belief

Jan
Jan, I never said I was 100% certain that it would work but I think there is good chance it will. People have been injecting themselves with hydrogen peroxide for ages. This is not new and it is perfectly safe if done properly. I know a couple of older people who get it done whenever they get a cold or a flu. I just would like to see an FDA trial conducted with PALS to determine its effectiveness in reducing neuroinflammation. Is that too much to ask?

Louis
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Posted: Sunday, February 05, 2012 5:17:34 PM

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[quote=ENV] You got any proof of that? For years more powerful anti-inflammatories were tried against ALS and failed.
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What are you refering to, corticoids, cytostatica?


Don't just ask what scientists can do to speed up the solution for ALS or when they will do it, instead ask yourself what you can do right now to solve ALS asap.
ENV
Posted: Sunday, February 05, 2012 6:45:53 PM

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and Celebrex among others. I would have to look up the list but I am watching the football game. The point is made anyway.

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ichisan
Posted: Sunday, February 05, 2012 10:18:35 PM
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ENV wrote:
"known for a century"? You got any proof of that?
I said "close to a century". Why are you putting words in my mouth to make a lame point? People have been doing H2O2 injections since at least 1920 in England and sooner in France where it was discovered. My point is that it is a well-known anti-inflammatory substance. Somebody (Olly maybe?) mentioned not too long ago that sodium chlorate was used successfully many decades ago to treat polio. If I had said "close to 50 years", would it have taken anything away from my point? Nope. You're just being a jackass.
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For years more powerful anti-inflammatories were tried against ALS and failed.
This is even a better reason to try the ones that have not yet been tried. Why have they not been tried a long time ago? Again, it's because there is no money in it for the money-hungry assholes. That's why.
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I, however, can prove that it takes years of careful work to find that a substance appears to work, and then much more testing to try to understand why as well as look for potential side effects that could make the situation worse.
There is no need to understand how a drug works to test its effectiveness against a disease. Penicillin was used for many years before we understood how it kills bacteria. Aspirin is another example. Many cultures have been successfully using plant medicines for millenia without understanding how they work. The truth is that the side effects of sodium chlorite and hydrogen peroxide are well publicized. The only thing that need to be tested is their effectiveness at various dosages. You may have thought you had a point but it's only your psychosis playing tricks with your brain.
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You have just proven again that not only do you know nothing but, worse, you can't be bothered to go educate yourself. Would you like to continue to be pathetic or would you like to take some time to actually learn something before you pop off?
Only in your psychotic mind, Eric. Only in your anal retentive psychotic mind. LOL.

Louis
ENV
Posted: Monday, February 06, 2012 12:04:31 AM

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Good luck with your strategy. I have seen people like you before. Most of them are dead.

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DeeBee
Posted: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:32:22 AM

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There's a dire need for an 'Alternative Symposium' for all manner of experimental therapeutics to be demonstrated.

i.e.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHebrNNBxsE ( efficacious rhinoplasty )
De Laval
Posted: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:51:13 AM
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Louis.
Of course you have the right to ask the FDA but unfortunately you will know the answer already.
I do however agree with you but the system changed not now and never will change you and many others you have to live with it.
It still countries that do not comply with strict rules I refer to South East Asia, since you have to pay any kind of purchasing drugs in hospitals there, and even medical guidance, these countries have their own rules.
I know this because my wife is from Indonesia and I unfortunately can not fly because of my disability and therefore can not move to the village in Java.
You should go to Mexico can go for the experimentation of drugs, because Mexico not uses the FDA rules as far as I know.

Jan
De Laval
Posted: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:10:10 AM
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ENV
Nemesis mentioned anywhere in a topic that it might be reasonable to people who just received a full ALS diagnostic inquiries and news ceftriaxone treatment given to any neuro-borreliosis in stage 3 can be excluded.
I find this a good idea because there is a study in the USA a few years ago revealed that at 150 ALS patients 100% of borreliosis was affected in the blood.
Here they examine the cerebrospinal fluid but is that because this bacterium is not only in the blood as far as my knowledge extends from here.
In 1988 a woman in the late stage of the AS borreliosis bacteria found my question, how could the science is so wrong then and now.
ALS is a decision from all diseases but have the impression that neurologists are often mistaken.

Jan
ichisan
Posted: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:56:53 AM
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Jan,

What is needed is an Occupy Healthcare movement with 100s of thousands of people hitting the streets in protest. Nothing scares the politicians and the filthy rich more than a threat to their money stealing schemes. And that's what most healthcare systems are all about, stealing other people's money while tying their hands behind their backs.

Louis
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