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IVSC Safety Trial
ichisan
Posted: Saturday, January 28, 2012 3:17:02 PM
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Alright, this morning I had my first infusion of intravenous sodium chlorite (IVSC) and red curly hair is beginning to grow out of the palms of my hands and the bottom of my feet. LOL.

Seriously, it's been over 4 hours and I feel fine. My blood pressure rose up slightly, probably because of the salt. There was a very slight burning sensation during the infusion but that's about it. I used 15 mg of sodium chlorite in 300 ml of saline solution. I did not test the PH level. The infusion lasted a little over 1 hour and then I ate a hearty Polish sausage breakfast with eggs and hash browns afterward with some red wine. I felt like smoking a joint but I decided not to push it [Angle_Smilies].

I will have a second infusion later this evening. I don't anticipate any problems. I will do this every day for six days. If I conclude that the experiment is successful, my wife, who suffers from ALS, will probably begin her own IVSC treatment.

This is the beginning of the great, do-it-yourself, IVSC ALS therapy experiment of 2012. It will, hopefully, prove to be just as effective as WF10 or NP001 in stopping the progression of ALS.

Louis

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RL Schafferr
Posted: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:13:15 PM

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ichisan wrote:
Alright, this morning I had my first infusion of intravenous sodium chlorite (IVSC) and red curly hair is beginning to grow out of the palms of my hands and the bottom of my feet. LOL.

Seriously, it's been over 4 hours and I feel fine. My blood pressure rose up slightly, probably because of the salt. There was a very slight burning sensation during the infusion but that's about it. I used 15 mg of sodium chlorite in 300 ml of saline solution. I did not test the PH level. The infusion lasted a little over 1 hour and then I ate a hearty Polish sausage breakfast with eggs and hash browns afterward with some red wine. I felt like smoking a joint but I decided not to push it [Angle_Smilies].

I will have a second infusion later this evening. I don't anticipate any problems. I will do this every day for six days. If I conclude that the experiment is successful, my wife, who suffers from ALS, will probably begin her own IVSC treatment.

This is the beginning of the great, do-it-yourself, IVSC ALS therapy experiment of 2012. It will, hopefully, prove to be just as effective as WF10 or NP001 in stopping the progression of ALS.

Louis





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hey hey my man.!! Congrats. Now lets hope it works good for your wife. God bless u boy.
Nemesis
Posted: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:19:59 PM

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I'm impressed. This has got to be a unique moment, when people are taking Internet medicine to the next level [clap]

I wouldn't like to own stock options in Neuraltus if this works...

Not to speak of working in ALSTDI and for ever having to live with the shame of refusing to lend a hand to PALS in need.





Don't just ask what scientists can do to speed up the solution for ALS or when they will do it, instead ask yourself what you can do right now to solve ALS asap.
Olly
Posted: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:48:04 PM

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Well one more step to patient empowerment now if we can only do our own anti-biotics and blood tests etc.

Well done Louis another large step for medical democracy

Into the heart, an air that kills, from yon far country blows.
What are those blue remembered hills, what sphires what farms are those.
That is the land of lost content,I see it shining plain,
The happy highways where I went and cannot come again
millstones
Posted: Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:23:33 PM

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Louis,
Congratulations. Is your nurse friend available for transatlantic IVs?

John
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Posted: Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:35:55 PM

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Good one! I wish you the best of luck!

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Posted: Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:00:24 PM
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Wow. You are very impressive.... and sound like a lot of fun, I might add. Your wife is lucky to have such a partner. I will be thinking of you both and checking in. Much respect. Eliz.
RL Schafferr
Posted: Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:24:45 PM

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Louis, that's a big ose. I use 17 ml in 500 distilled and that lasts me a month. Aren't u taking to much?
ichisan
Posted: Saturday, January 28, 2012 9:06:18 PM
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RL Schafferr wrote:
Louis, that's a big ose. I use 17 ml in 500 distilled and that lasts me a month. Aren't u taking to much?

Ron,

My mistake, sorry. I meant to write .15 mg/kg per day, not 15 mg. For me, I figured this comes to roughly about 1 ml of the 5% solution per day. I add it to a 500 ml bag of saline solution and take about half in the morning and half in the evening. Maybe I calculated it wrong and maybe I'm taking too much of this poison into my veins but, hey, I'm still alive. I just had another infusion 1/2 hour ago and I'm fine.

Thanks to everyone for the encouragement. My wife thinks I'm insane but she knows I love her. Trisha, my nurse friend, is a riot. She asked me what I wanted for my last meal and I said Sushi with lots of Sake mixed with a little chlorite for taste. We both laughed.

Louis

PS. I hope nobody was copying what I wrote earlier. Maybe one of the side effects is that it makes you stupid? LOL. I recommend that nobody, especially PALS, do this at home until I'm done with the experiment.
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Posted: Saturday, January 28, 2012 9:49:41 PM
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Hello Louis,

Red curly hair? Wow, I have seen green and blue, but never red... :)

Typical side effects include fatigue and changes in skin coloration. Chlorite can displace oxygen in your blood. This leaves you slightly blue and tired. If you have access to a pulse oximeter, it would be interesting to note your oxygen saturation.

The blue skin may really make your red hair stand out. :)

In figuring the amount of chlorite you are taking, remember that 1 ml of 5% sodium chlorite has 50 mg of chlorite. If you weigh 70 kg and take the whole amount in one day you would have 50/70 = about 0.71 mg/kg. In comparison to taking it orally, this would be about the same as an oral dose target of 1.75 mg/kg.

Based upon some tests that I am running on double that amount of chlorite, it is looking like it takes about 3 days to totally activate. If your hair turns from red to green, you may want to consider letting the solution activate a little longer before use...

I think you are a damn fool for doing this, but the information is invaluable. Who needs rats and mice for testing when we have "damn fools."

Seriously, you may think about doubling the amount of chlorite during part of your testing. That would come close to the NP001 dosing. That is when your hair turns blue...

Tom
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Posted: Saturday, January 28, 2012 11:20:41 PM

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Tom, that can't be right either. I take two table spoons a day, and each table spoon is about .25 per tablespoon. Two is about 54 ml / kg for a 160 pound person. I use 17 ml SC. One ml can't be 0.71 .not in 500 ml of saline.
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Posted: Saturday, January 28, 2012 11:50:56 PM
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Hello Ron,

17 ml of 5% sodium chlorite gives you 850 mg of chlorite. A tablespoon is 15 ml, so if we start with 500 ml of solution we end up with close to 26 mg chlorite per tablespoon.

1 ml of 5% sodium chlorite gives you 50 mg of chlorite. If Louis takes the whole 500 ml of saline with the 1 ml of sodium chlorite added, he ends up with the whole 50 mg of chlorite.

The remaining variable is the weight of Louis.

Tom

ichisan
Posted: Sunday, January 29, 2012 2:29:26 AM
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SilverFox wrote:
In figuring the amount of chlorite you are taking, remember that 1 ml of 5% sodium chlorite has 50 mg of chlorite. If you weigh 70 kg and take the whole amount in one day you would have 50/70 = about 0.71 mg/kg. In comparison to taking it orally, this would be about the same as an oral dose target of 1.75 mg/kg.

Wow. How did I get it so wrong? Too much weed, I know. LOL. Seriously, I did not plan to take that much per day. My goal was only .15 mg/kg per day. I weigh only about 75 kg. Which means I am actually taking 50/75 = .66 mg/kg per day. To be true to my original goal, I should really be taking 11.25 mg of sodium chlorite per day:

11.25/75 = 0.15 mg/kg

This comes to only 0.225 ml of the 5% solution per day. Oh, well.

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I think you are a damn fool for doing this, but the information is invaluable. Who needs rats and mice for testing when we have "damn fools."

If it's true that fools rush in, I am indeed a damn fool.
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Seriously, you may think about doubling the amount of chlorite during part of your testing. That would come close to the NP001 dosing. That is when your hair turns blue...

Hahaha. Well, Tom. I disagree with the NP001 dosing. I believe that PALS should maintain a very low but continuous level of sodium chlorite in the blood stream at all times. Using a high dosage between relatively long rest periods is counterproductive, in my opinion, if only because of the yo-yo effect. I believe it may even be harmful in the long run. This is why I chose an initial target of .15 mg/kg. I think the body can tolerate such a low dose for a long time. I don't think a therapeutic dosage should be much higher.

That being said, I am going to stick to 1 ml per day for my experiment. This will be an even more convincing safety test for my purposes. But then again, I may just be a dead man walking, as my nurse friend told me. LOL.

Louis
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Posted: Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:04:55 AM

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Does anyone know if any info on 'the safe use of IV Sodium Chlorite' has already been gathered from people like Jim Humble ( either in person or via his books )?


Both Humble & May have chapters in their books about the intravenous use of sodium chlorite (MMS). These publications date from 2009 and are available on Amazon.

Mary Reid
Posted: Sunday, January 29, 2012 6:16:41 AM
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Hello all,

I know I'm going to get shot down by saying this, but I feel that this is not the way to go. I can't possibly put myself in your shoes, and heavens knows, were I to be in your position I may also follow this route. This has extremely important ramifications for drug development down the track. We all want to hear how trials etc are going, but if we jump in and take those results and use them in such a manner, I can only see more closed research in the future which I don't think will be beneficial.

What happens should we hear about negative consequences following DIY IVSC? Is the nurse inserting the IV going to take responsibility for ensuring dosage, sterility etc.

Mary
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Posted: Sunday, January 29, 2012 6:42:11 AM

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Bravo Louis,
you are my prefered lab mice!
millstones
Posted: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:03:15 AM

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Mary Reid wrote:
Hello all,

I know I'm going to get shot down by saying this, but I feel that this is not the way to go. I can't possibly put myself in your shoes, and heavens knows, were I to be in your position I may also follow this route. This has extremely important ramifications for drug development down the track. We all want to hear how trials etc are going, but if we jump in and take those results and use them in such a manner, I can only see more closed research in the future which I don't think will be beneficial.

What happens should we hear about negative consequences following DIY IVSC? Is the nurse inserting the IV going to take responsibility for ensuring dosage, sterility etc.

Mary

Mary

In the UK we have about 600 people a year die from MND, in the US 6 times as many. In the world 10 s of thousands. This disease has eluded science for 150 years and what must be millions of lives. The ongoing NP001 tial shows some success against this disease. The active ingredient is believed to be sodium chlorite. DIY trials are showing some improvements and slowed progression. These have been going on for some time now, almost 5 months?
People involved are showing the yoyo effect on and off dosing. Nobody knows if the sodium chlorite is safe in the body or not. So far only 2 people seem to be reporting kidney problems from approximately 80 people involved in the trial.
Tom ( Silver Fox) has tried getting testing facilities without success, we have asked ALSTDI to become involved.
It is probable that NP001 will not be available for at least 1 and maybe more years.
Given the above how would you suggest this trial proceed?

On the question of research it seems tragic that this exists in the hands of pharmaceutical companies. Given that the properties of sodium chlorite were apparently known to exist in 2004/5 and now, 7 or 8 years on, clinical trials are taking place how has this "open research" served the 10s of thousands of people who have died in the meantime?
Louis is a man who has a wife in the later stages of this illness who has just come through repiratory failure. He is frustrated by the tantalising success which the OSC trial dangles before us and would like to improve on what is happening.
Perfectly understandable.

John
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Posted: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:04:05 AM

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Mary,
Consider yourself shot.

John
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Posted: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:21:39 AM

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John wrote:
'Nobody knows if the sodium chlorite is safe in the body or not'.

But the 5 million folk who have used MMS would be able to provide a few clues regarding efficacy (and safety)?
De Laval
Posted: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:22:50 AM
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Mary.

You mention some key points by running the experiment, of course, the nurse is not responsible for any damage and the dose and the infusion of sterile.

Besides there is not an insurance that pays hospital cost if something going wrong because it is an Illegal activity.

I find it very brave that Louis try this, but in the longer term, it solves nothing because many people can not find their doctor or nurse to help with the infusion.

The only negative effect could be that only works temporarily IVSC so Neuraltus never get their approval from the FDA.

And that is pity because i think that OSC or NP001 can keep us on a stable plateau for a long time.

My great respect too Louis but we can never win the battle against the FDA or the pharmaceutic industry they are too powerful .

My question is the means NP001 same IVSC and there you have my doubts.

NP001 might be different IVSC we run the risk that the adoption of NP001 major delay by the FDA.

John.
Here in the Netherlands every year 500 people die about ALS so no different between the UK but remember that here some scientist here and even in the UK do not believe in NP001.

I believe np001 as a temporally treatment not as a cure and do not forget i am a also in the late stage of the illness too so i be until today stable because the OSC.

My only hope is to be stable and wait until the stem-cell of Dr Eva Feldman and Neural-stem .


Jan
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